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HajHajime

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Sveiki visi. Man patiešām ir vajadzīga palīdzība, lai to saprastu. Man ir nepieciešams izņemt apmēram 10k$ mēnesī no mana XMR vai BTC maka. Kāds ir vienkāršākais veids, kā to izdarīt? Es domāju par to, lai iegādātos PayPall kontu vai smth, bet mb es kļūdos. Ofc tas ir jābūt ļoti anonīmi un bez jebkādas izsekošanas uz mani.
 

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O nezinu, bet es zinu, ka tas nav PayPal šie puiši ir asli, ja jūs esat uzņēmums. Kad es vadīju uzņēmumu, kas izmantoja PayPal, lai pieņemtu kredītkartes un pieņemtu naudu mana uzņēmuma vārdā, viņi apmēram katru nedēļu bloķēja manu kontu un uzmācās man par to, ko tieši cilvēki no manis pērk, un, ja radās strīds, viņi vienkārši paņēma manu naudu un atdeva to atpakaļ, pat nepieminot par to vai nedodot man iespēju izšķirties.
 

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Jā, es pat neesmu pārdevējs, es tikai izmantoju to pārisf draugiem, un vienu rītu pēc viena darījuma viņi pilnībā bloķējās, nevarēja pieskarties manam atlikumam un, iespējams, nekad nevarēs. Man bija jādod viņiem elle nonstop 24 stundas, un beidzot, kad es izvirzīju Better Business Bureau, viņi saplaisāja un ļāva man ieiet. Nekad pieskaras viņiem vēlreiz
 

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ja mēs runājam par PayPal..........ja viņi sajutīs kaut mazāko kaut kā neierasta smaržu, viņi (PayPal) bloķēs jūsu kontu no jebkādiem darījumiem ar kriptovalūtām uz 3 dienām. Ja 2. dienā un 12 stundās jūs mēģināsiet veikt darījumus vēlreiz, tas no jauna iestatīs pulksteni un atkal bloķēs kontu uz 3 dienām. Es izmantoju PayPal visiem saviem "zinu savu klientu" virs kuģa, nevis anonīmām lietām. Piemēram, pat nevajag apgrūtināt ar vpn. Kāpēc PayPal? Pieraduma spēks, turklāt viņi padara lietas ļoti vienkāršas. Jūs vēlaties *****ing izaicinājums, iestatīt Monero maku no oficiālās Monero mājas lapā. Pēc iestatīšanas es jutos kā Džeimss Bonds. Man patīk narkotikas un ķīmija. Es absolūti neciešos, ka man ir jānodarbojas ar VPN, tor, kriptogrāfiju, PGP atslēgām bla bla bla bla bla.............bet GOT TO DARĪT.
 

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Vai jau esat apskatījis vietējos monero?
 

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Jā. Bet vai tas ir pietiekami droši?
 
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Esmu tālu no eksperta, tāpēc uztveriet to ar lielu sāls graudu, bet es domāju, ka XMR pievilcība ir tā drošība (un netīri lētas darījumu maksas, es šodien nopietni samaksāju 2 centus, lai dažus nosūtītu). Daudzi pārdevēji ir sākuši to piedāvāt un dod priekšroku Bitcoin. Atvainojiet, es nevaru sniegt jums konkrētu informāciju par to, kāpēc tas ir labāk.
 

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Diemžēl localmonero ir aizvēris savas durvis un slēgts, kopš es ievietoju.

Alternatīva ir jums birža pēc jūsu izvēles, bet monētu ar zemu darījumu maksu (litecoin ir labs), tad nosūtiet to uz kūka maku un veikt savu apmaiņu tur. Tās diezgan vienkārša maku un apmaiņas platforma
 

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Update to this older thread if anyone else finds it... localmonero has been resurrected and brought back as openmonero.co so check them out. As for trustworthy, the seller must basically deposit an amount greater than they will be trading in to the site. When a transaction begins the site automatically locks an amount of their deposit equal to the amount being traded. If the seller decides to run off with your money then the site will simply release the locked up funds to you preventing a problem with getting scammed. Also, there are some constant regulars. When you start looking to initiate a transaction with someone who already has 22,138 successfully completed transactions andd a 100% track record..... well there are no guarantees in life, but I know I feel comfortable dealing with them. Besides, the spread that they are profitting off of makes it far more beneficial to remain a trustworthy seller. A single transaction may cost you $7-12 over market rate but you get a no kyc transaction and the seller is busy racking up those transaction fees all day long on both ends of the field. He will sell you monero for a profit with whatever your preferred payment method is, and he will also buy monero or btc on the other end each time raking in the profits.... Damn, sounds like I should just invest $5K into crypto holdings and trade for no kyc profit... While I'm sure the powers that be are already devising ways to make it a crime, I'm pretty sure there are no current laws that require me as a personal transaction to collect or verify identification, and no laws as of yet preventing me from conducting multiple small transactions in which I begin to acquire a significant profit regularily....which I would unfortunately find too difficult to maintain accurate ongoing records of due to the constantly fluxuating value of several different currencies, transaction fees, forgetfulness, and general apathy towards governmental efforts to try and regulate my personal affiars....

damn this ADHD, always end up off the rails rambling about something without a clue how I managed to get there most of the time.... with that being said...

there is also some promising services offered by the changeNOW and the half dozen related apps like NOW Wallet, NOW tracker, etc. and the ability to perform certain amounts of no kyc trades on their network for a minor transaction fee. I have used ChangeNOW and Changelly a number of times to convert BTC to Monero without having to provide my entire life history in order to conduct my business with them. Hell, you don't even need to make an account, simply a matter of providing your receiving address and amount and type of crypto to exchange followed by initiating a transfer to the address they provide you after accepting the terms.

OK, that's my limit for the day... I need to try and get some other things accomplished.
 

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Fairly close, if a seller decides to run off with your money, he quickly realizes that's stupid, because he doesn't have your money, and he can't steal it touch it look at it or do anything, because they don't get it until you push "finalize". DON'T GO TO TELEGRAM OR SESSION TO DO A DEAL they will try that because they want to steal your money. Paying 5% insurance to never get ripped off again is worth every penny
 
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