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Sveiki visi. Man tikrai reikia pagalbos, kad suprasčiau. Man reikia išsiimti kaip 10k$ per mėnesį iš savo XMR arba BTC piniginės. Koks yra paprasčiausias būdas tai padaryti? Manau apie pirkti PayPall sąskaitą ar smth, bet mb aš klystu. Ofc tai turi būti labai anonimiškai ir be jokio atsekimo į mane
 

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O nežinau, bet žinau, kad tai ne PayPal tie vaikinai yra asilai, jei esate verslas. Kai vadovavau verslui, kuris naudojosi "PayPal" paslaugomis priimti kredito korteles ir priimti pinigus mano verslo vardu, jie maždaug kas savaitę užblokuodavo mano sąskaitą ir persekiodavo mane dėl to, ką konkrečiai žmonės iš manęs perka, o kilus ginčui tiesiog paimdavo mano pinigus ir grąžindavo juos atgal, net neužsimindami apie tai ir nesuteikdami man galimybės bylinėtis.
 

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Taip, aš net nesu pardavėjas, aš tik naudojuosi juo poraf draugų ir vieną rytą po vieno sandorio jie visiškai užblokavo, negalėjau paliesti savo balanso ir tikriausiai niekada to nepadarysiu. Aš turiu duoti jiems pragarą nonstop 24 valandas ir galiausiai, kai aš iškėliau Geresnio verslo biurą, jie sulaužė ir įleido mane. Niekada daugiau jų neliečiu
 

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jei kalbame apie "PayPal"..........jei jie pajus bent menkiausią kažkokio pažeidimo kvapą, jie (PayPal) 3 dienoms užblokuos jūsų sąskaitą nuo bet kokių kriptovaliutų operacijų. Jei 2 dieną ir 12 valandų vėl bandysite atlikti sandorį, tai atstatys laikrodį ir vėl užrakins 3 dienoms. Naudoju "PayPal" visiems savo "pažink savo klientą" virš lentos, o ne anoniminiams dalykams. Pavyzdžiui, net nesivarginkite su vpn. Kodėl "PayPal"? Įpročio jėga, be to, jie viską labai palengvina. Jei norite šūdino iššūkio, susikurkite "Monero" piniginę iš oficialios "Monero" svetainės. Po to, kai ją sukūriau, pasijutau kaip Džeimsas šūdinas Bondas. Man patinka narkotikai ir chemija. Visiškai nekenčiu, kai tenka susidurti su VPN, tor, kriptografija, PGP raktais bla bla bla bla.............bet TURIU TAI PADARYTI.
 

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Ar jau peržiūrėjote vietinį monero?
 

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Taip. Bet ar tai pakankamai saugu?
 
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Aš toli gražu nesu ekspertas, todėl į tai žiūrėkite su didele doze druskos, bet manau, kad XMR patrauklumas yra saugumas (ir labai pigūs sandorių mokesčiai, šiandien rimtai sumokėjau 2 centus, kad galėčiau kai ką išsiųsti). Daug pardavėjų pradėjo jį siūlyti ir teikia pirmenybę jam, o ne Bitcoin. Atsiprašau, kad negaliu pateikti konkrečių duomenų, kodėl tai geriau.
 

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Deja, localmonero užvėrė duris ir užsidarė nuo tada, kai paskelbiau.

Alternatyva yra jums pasirinktą biržą, bet monetą su mažais sandorių mokesčiais (litecoin yra geras), tada siųsti jį į torto piniginę ir padaryti savo keitimąsi ten. Jos gana paprasta piniginė ir mainų platforma
 

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Update to this older thread if anyone else finds it... localmonero has been resurrected and brought back as openmonero.co so check them out. As for trustworthy, the seller must basically deposit an amount greater than they will be trading in to the site. When a transaction begins the site automatically locks an amount of their deposit equal to the amount being traded. If the seller decides to run off with your money then the site will simply release the locked up funds to you preventing a problem with getting scammed. Also, there are some constant regulars. When you start looking to initiate a transaction with someone who already has 22,138 successfully completed transactions andd a 100% track record..... well there are no guarantees in life, but I know I feel comfortable dealing with them. Besides, the spread that they are profitting off of makes it far more beneficial to remain a trustworthy seller. A single transaction may cost you $7-12 over market rate but you get a no kyc transaction and the seller is busy racking up those transaction fees all day long on both ends of the field. He will sell you monero for a profit with whatever your preferred payment method is, and he will also buy monero or btc on the other end each time raking in the profits.... Damn, sounds like I should just invest $5K into crypto holdings and trade for no kyc profit... While I'm sure the powers that be are already devising ways to make it a crime, I'm pretty sure there are no current laws that require me as a personal transaction to collect or verify identification, and no laws as of yet preventing me from conducting multiple small transactions in which I begin to acquire a significant profit regularily....which I would unfortunately find too difficult to maintain accurate ongoing records of due to the constantly fluxuating value of several different currencies, transaction fees, forgetfulness, and general apathy towards governmental efforts to try and regulate my personal affiars....

damn this ADHD, always end up off the rails rambling about something without a clue how I managed to get there most of the time.... with that being said...

there is also some promising services offered by the changeNOW and the half dozen related apps like NOW Wallet, NOW tracker, etc. and the ability to perform certain amounts of no kyc trades on their network for a minor transaction fee. I have used ChangeNOW and Changelly a number of times to convert BTC to Monero without having to provide my entire life history in order to conduct my business with them. Hell, you don't even need to make an account, simply a matter of providing your receiving address and amount and type of crypto to exchange followed by initiating a transfer to the address they provide you after accepting the terms.

OK, that's my limit for the day... I need to try and get some other things accomplished.
 

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Fairly close, if a seller decides to run off with your money, he quickly realizes that's stupid, because he doesn't have your money, and he can't steal it touch it look at it or do anything, because they don't get it until you push "finalize". DON'T GO TO TELEGRAM OR SESSION TO DO A DEAL they will try that because they want to steal your money. Paying 5% insurance to never get ripped off again is worth every penny
 
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