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HajHajime

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Hei kaikille. Tarvitsen todella apua ymmärtääkseni sen. Minun on nostettava kuten 10k$ kuukaudessa XMR- tai BTC-lompakostani. Mikä on helpoin tapa tehdä tämä? Ajattelin ostaa PayPall-tilin tai jotain muuta, mutta olen väärässä. Tietenkin sen on oltava hyvin anonyymisti ja ilman, että minua voidaan jäljittää.
 

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O don't know but I know it is not PayPal those guys are assholes if you are a business. Kun minulla oli yritys, joka käytti PayPalia luottokorttien ottamiseen ja rahan vastaanottamiseen yritykseni puolesta, he lukitsivat tilini noin joka viikko ja ahdistivat minua siitä, mitä ihmiset tarkalleen ottaen ostivat minulta, ja jos tuli riita, he vain ottivat rahani ja antoivat ne takaisin mainitsematta edes sitä tai antamatta minulle mahdollisuutta sovitteluun.
 

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Joo en ole edes myyjä, käytän sitä vain parif kaverille ja eräänä aamuna yhden tapahtuman jälkeen ne lukittuivat täysin, en voinut koskea saldooni enkä luultavasti koskaan koskisi. Minun täytyy antaa heille helll nonstop 24 tuntia ja lopulta kun otin esille Better Business Bureau he cracked ja päästää minut sisään. En koske heihin enää koskaan
 

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jos puhumme PayPalista..........jos he haistavat pienimmänkin hajun jostain epäkohdasta, he (PayPal) lukitsevat tilisi kaikilta kryptotransaktioilta 3 päiväksi. Jos 2. päivänä ja 12 tunnin kuluttua yrität tehdä transaktioita uudelleen, se nollaa kellon ja lukitsee taas 3 päiväksi. Käytän PayPalia kaikkiin "tunne asiakkaasi" -tapahtumiini, ei anonyymeihin juttuihin. Kuten ei edes vaivaudu vpn:n kanssa. Miksi PayPal? Tottumuksen pakosta, ja he tekevät asiat todella helpoksi. Jos haluat vitun haasteita, aseta Moneron lompakko viralliselta Moneron verkkosivustolta. Tunsin itseni James Bondiksi sen jälkeen, kun olin perustanut sen. Rakastan huumeita ja kemiaa. Inhoan helvetin paljon VPN:n, torin, salauksen, PGP-avaimien ja niin edelleen.............mutta GOT TO DO IT.
 

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Oletko jo katsonut paikallista moneroa?
 

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Jaa. Mutta onko se tarpeeksi turvallista?
 
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En ole läheskään asiantuntija, joten suhtaudu tähän suurella varauksella, mutta mielestäni XMR:n vetonaula on sen turvallisuus (ja likaisen halvat transaktiomaksut, maksoin tänään tosissani 2 penniä lähettääkseni joitakin). Monet myyjät ovat alkaneet tarjota sitä ja pitävät sitä parempana kuin Bitcoinia. Anteeksi, etten voi kertoa tarkemmin, miksi se on parempi.
 

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Valitettavasti localmonero on sulkenut ovensa ja suljettu sen jälkeen, kun lähetin.

Vaihtoehto on sinulle vaihto valitsemasi, mutta kolikon, jolla on alhaiset transaktiomaksut (litecoin on hyvä), lähetä se sitten kakku lompakko ja tee vaihto siellä. Sen melko yksinkertainen lompakko & vaihto alusta
 

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Update to this older thread if anyone else finds it... localmonero has been resurrected and brought back as openmonero.co so check them out. As for trustworthy, the seller must basically deposit an amount greater than they will be trading in to the site. When a transaction begins the site automatically locks an amount of their deposit equal to the amount being traded. If the seller decides to run off with your money then the site will simply release the locked up funds to you preventing a problem with getting scammed. Also, there are some constant regulars. When you start looking to initiate a transaction with someone who already has 22,138 successfully completed transactions andd a 100% track record..... well there are no guarantees in life, but I know I feel comfortable dealing with them. Besides, the spread that they are profitting off of makes it far more beneficial to remain a trustworthy seller. A single transaction may cost you $7-12 over market rate but you get a no kyc transaction and the seller is busy racking up those transaction fees all day long on both ends of the field. He will sell you monero for a profit with whatever your preferred payment method is, and he will also buy monero or btc on the other end each time raking in the profits.... Damn, sounds like I should just invest $5K into crypto holdings and trade for no kyc profit... While I'm sure the powers that be are already devising ways to make it a crime, I'm pretty sure there are no current laws that require me as a personal transaction to collect or verify identification, and no laws as of yet preventing me from conducting multiple small transactions in which I begin to acquire a significant profit regularily....which I would unfortunately find too difficult to maintain accurate ongoing records of due to the constantly fluxuating value of several different currencies, transaction fees, forgetfulness, and general apathy towards governmental efforts to try and regulate my personal affiars....

damn this ADHD, always end up off the rails rambling about something without a clue how I managed to get there most of the time.... with that being said...

there is also some promising services offered by the changeNOW and the half dozen related apps like NOW Wallet, NOW tracker, etc. and the ability to perform certain amounts of no kyc trades on their network for a minor transaction fee. I have used ChangeNOW and Changelly a number of times to convert BTC to Monero without having to provide my entire life history in order to conduct my business with them. Hell, you don't even need to make an account, simply a matter of providing your receiving address and amount and type of crypto to exchange followed by initiating a transfer to the address they provide you after accepting the terms.

OK, that's my limit for the day... I need to try and get some other things accomplished.
 

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Fairly close, if a seller decides to run off with your money, he quickly realizes that's stupid, because he doesn't have your money, and he can't steal it touch it look at it or do anything, because they don't get it until you push "finalize". DON'T GO TO TELEGRAM OR SESSION TO DO A DEAL they will try that because they want to steal your money. Paying 5% insurance to never get ripped off again is worth every penny
 
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